1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,799 [Music] 2 00:00:14,180 --> 00:00:12,080 who am i working for I'm working for 3 00:00:16,609 --> 00:00:14,190 I'll reveal it right now on this show 4 00:00:22,250 --> 00:00:16,619 live today okay for the first time ever 5 00:00:25,220 --> 00:00:22,260 I'm working for me and the victims yeah 6 00:00:27,470 --> 00:00:25,230 yeah yeah that's it and the and one of 7 00:00:29,689 --> 00:00:27,480 the attorneys no I don't work for any 8 00:00:30,830 --> 00:00:29,699 attorney you've helped the attorneys I 9 00:00:34,069 --> 00:00:30,840 have helped the attorneys I have 10 00:00:36,650 --> 00:00:34,079 basically gotten evidence and gave in 11 00:00:39,020 --> 00:00:36,660 that evidence to the attorneys 12 00:00:39,889 --> 00:00:39,030 whichever attorney needed whatever I say 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:39,899 the attorneys the plaintiff's attorney 14 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:42,090 so you're helping the victims absolutely 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:43,710 right absolutely yeah MGM has a 16 00:00:48,260 --> 00:00:45,090 snowball's chance in hell of getting any 17 00:00:51,350 --> 00:00:48,270 evidence from me and MGM should be 18 00:00:53,689 --> 00:00:51,360 paying up for absolute yeah absolutely 19 00:00:56,119 --> 00:00:53,699 and we learned actually that they 20 00:00:58,130 --> 00:00:56,129 disclosed in some SEC filing that 21 00:00:59,540 --> 00:00:58,140 they've already reserved a big chunk of 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:00:59,550 change for their cancer they're 23 00:01:03,139 --> 00:01:01,770 expecting to make a big payment the only 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:03,149 question is exactly what is it going to 25 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:05,610 be yeah that amounts still from what I 26 00:01:08,630 --> 00:01:07,170 have gathered that amount still up in 27 00:01:11,090 --> 00:01:08,640 the air seven hundred fifty or so 28 00:01:13,850 --> 00:01:11,100 million is what's been allocated out 29 00:01:16,039 --> 00:01:13,860 from their insurance policy of course 30 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:16,049 that doesn't really sting them in the 31 00:01:19,490 --> 00:01:18,210 pocketbook directly yet which obviously 32 00:01:22,490 --> 00:01:19,500 is something that everybody would like 33 00:01:24,530 --> 00:01:22,500 to do but that will sting a little bit 34 00:01:26,539 --> 00:01:24,540 as their premiums come up in the future 35 00:01:30,980 --> 00:01:26,549 but they could sell one property and 36 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:30,990 come up with that so the the thought is 37 00:01:34,219 --> 00:01:32,729 is that's a good idea give one one of 38 00:01:37,249 --> 00:01:34,229 the properties to all the country music 39 00:01:38,870 --> 00:01:37,259 fans literally take it over and bring 40 00:01:41,030 --> 00:01:38,880 some country music this way or whatever 41 00:01:42,230 --> 00:01:41,040 you have naturally on the west I was 42 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:42,240 just I should tell everybody I was just 43 00:01:47,210 --> 00:01:44,610 talking to a guy from MGM over the 44 00:01:51,170 --> 00:01:47,220 weekend I was at the Frontier Days 45 00:01:53,929 --> 00:01:51,180 Cheyenne rodeo which is a really really 46 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:53,939 cool event anyway he said ninety one's 47 00:01:58,429 --> 00:01:56,850 dead that's likely to never come back 48 00:02:00,190 --> 00:01:58,439 yeah there was some talk about the 49 00:02:03,709 --> 00:02:00,200 concert coming back this year in fact 50 00:02:06,109 --> 00:02:03,719 not right around the exact same time as 51 00:02:07,730 --> 00:02:06,119 you know before you know different 52 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:07,740 location different name either yeah 53 00:02:12,290 --> 00:02:09,690 different location that they were 54 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:12,300 actually discussing the Vegas venue 55 00:02:16,190 --> 00:02:14,970 but of course we you know there's still 56 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:16,200 up in the air as to what's going to 57 00:02:19,370 --> 00:02:17,970 happen with that property because as you 58 00:02:24,170 --> 00:02:19,380 probably remember they were going to 59 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:24,180 gift it to the LVN PD which that's yeah 60 00:02:26,990 --> 00:02:25,890 now that got scuttled that idea gets 61 00:02:28,580 --> 00:02:27,000 gunned yeah that looked like they were 62 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:28,590 working a little too hand-in-hand with 63 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:30,660 Vegas police just a little which we know 64 00:02:36,260 --> 00:02:32,730 they just a little bit but you know this 65 00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:36,270 life is beautiful festival I believe did 66 00:02:40,190 --> 00:02:38,520 occur mmm this past year and that's a 67 00:02:43,220 --> 00:02:40,200 remember you know paddock scoped that 68 00:02:44,810 --> 00:02:43,230 one out downtown Vegas when he was a 69 00:02:47,180 --> 00:02:44,820 staying at the Ogden he was he was 70 00:02:48,650 --> 00:02:47,190 looking at that as a is a he you know 71 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:48,660 there's several there's several theories 72 00:02:53,210 --> 00:02:50,250 involving why he was going to these 73 00:02:55,810 --> 00:02:53,220 different venues my theory after talking 74 00:03:00,080 --> 00:02:55,820 with Eric extensively to is because 75 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:00,090 Steve had a tendency of over analyzing 76 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:01,910 and things like he's an accountant so 77 00:03:05,450 --> 00:03:03,810 naturally he's gonna look at things a 78 00:03:09,350 --> 00:03:05,460 little bit more meticulous than say the 79 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:09,360 average person would be had OCD also 80 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:12,750 right or right I mean I believe he did I 81 00:03:17,540 --> 00:03:15,360 I don't have individual confirmation of 82 00:03:18,980 --> 00:03:17,550 that but yeah I would say that he did 83 00:03:21,470 --> 00:03:18,990 and I think I've heard enough stories 84 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:21,480 about him that he had several Oh CDs one 85 00:03:24,950 --> 00:03:23,490 of which was wearing the gloves people 86 00:03:26,570 --> 00:03:24,960 thought that you know him wearing the 87 00:03:29,450 --> 00:03:26,580 gloves at night was something odd that 88 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:29,460 he he bought those gloves by the box and 89 00:03:35,690 --> 00:03:33,330 what about slightly autistic that's a 90 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:35,700 theory that I brought out a little bit 91 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:38,850 early on there I met resistance with it 92 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:42,090 but when you look at the history of many 93 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:43,410 of the mass shootings there is a very 94 00:03:49,210 --> 00:03:46,130 large percentage of the mass shooting 95 00:03:52,910 --> 00:03:49,220 perpetrators that were actually 96 00:03:55,250 --> 00:03:52,920 somewhere on that spectrum of autism and 97 00:03:58,220 --> 00:03:55,260 so it's my belief that he falls 98 00:04:01,010 --> 00:03:58,230 somewhere in that spectrum as well 99 00:04:02,690 --> 00:04:01,020 because he had many of the many of the 100 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:02,700 attributes that one would have or many 101 00:04:06,950 --> 00:04:03,810 of the symptoms if you want to call it 102 00:04:10,130 --> 00:04:06,960 symptoms but that creates a whole nother 103 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:10,140 area of controversy people don't want to 104 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:12,510 say that people that are autistics are 105 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:14,610 going to be your next mass shooter 106 00:04:19,250 --> 00:04:16,770 because most autistic people are 107 00:04:21,470 --> 00:04:19,260 extremely nice they're opposite in but 108 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:21,480 there is that that branch the branch is 109 00:04:24,590 --> 00:04:23,490 off but keep in mind the medication he 110 00:04:28,130 --> 00:04:24,600 was on may have caught 111 00:04:30,410 --> 00:04:28,140 him to do some slight variant of what 112 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:30,420 although wasn't it wasn't just an axe 113 00:04:34,220 --> 00:04:32,820 what the the doctor said he prescribed 114 00:04:35,780 --> 00:04:34,230 him as an axe I thought what are you 115 00:04:38,570 --> 00:04:35,790 aware that he was on he was on anxiety 116 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:38,580 medication for hip our agreement I'm 117 00:04:42,530 --> 00:04:40,710 supposed to actually not say what it is 118 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:42,540 because you know there's some 119 00:04:48,740 --> 00:04:45,110 involvement there but yes it was under 120 00:04:50,060 --> 00:04:48,750 some anxiety medication he did fill each 121 00:04:52,190 --> 00:04:50,070 of the prescriptions that he received 122 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:52,200 you the prescriptions that I know he had 123 00:04:56,630 --> 00:04:54,510 were filled at Walgreens and he'd filled 124 00:04:58,910 --> 00:04:56,640 them within an hour of getting them he 125 00:05:00,470 --> 00:04:58,920 didn't abuse the pills it didn't seem 126 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:00,480 like he had a large amount in the 127 00:05:05,030 --> 00:05:02,850 toxicology report he wasn't and he was 128 00:05:08,570 --> 00:05:05,040 sober that evening it doesn't show that 129 00:05:10,130 --> 00:05:08,580 he was drunk or anything like that but 130 00:05:12,410 --> 00:05:10,140 it reminded me the doctor wanted to 131 00:05:15,340 --> 00:05:12,420 prescribe him something in addition to 132 00:05:17,510 --> 00:05:15,350 correct right correct well the doctor 133 00:05:19,070 --> 00:05:17,520 well without mentioned the doctor's name 134 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:19,080 which is called the doctor with the same 135 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:23,370 name as the perpetrator that doctor did 136 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:27,570 diagnose him originally as being what he 137 00:05:32,660 --> 00:05:30,570 felt was bipolar or some other something 138 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:32,670 other than whatever and Steve did not 139 00:05:37,820 --> 00:05:35,130 like that diagnosis at all and basically 140 00:05:39,950 --> 00:05:37,830 was picking and choosing which 141 00:05:41,570 --> 00:05:39,960 medications to receive the other thing 142 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:41,580 that I thought was odd it's the first 143 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:43,050 time I've ever heard of I don't know if 144 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:44,280 you've ever heard of this before you 145 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:46,530 being form a lawyer you're familiar with 146 00:05:51,170 --> 00:05:48,900 the term retainer I don't recall ever 147 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:51,180 hearing about doctors being on retainer 148 00:05:54,590 --> 00:05:53,280 but apparently that's a thing that you 149 00:05:55,610 --> 00:05:54,600 could pay X amount of dollars a month I 150 00:05:59,000 --> 00:05:55,620 have a dog yeah they called him 151 00:06:01,940 --> 00:05:59,010 concierge doctors you first in line when 152 00:06:03,620 --> 00:06:01,950 you come in or something yep that's kind 153 00:06:06,110 --> 00:06:03,630 of sorry you're saying that paddock 154 00:06:08,150 --> 00:06:06,120 doctor was it was a concierge doctor he 155 00:06:10,610 --> 00:06:08,160 was on retainer correct that's that's my 156 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:10,620 understand yeah yeah well if you got a 157 00:06:13,940 --> 00:06:12,090 lot of money like you said it makes it 158 00:06:15,530 --> 00:06:13,950 easy to go in and see your see your 159 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:15,540 doctor I think a lot of people do 160 00:06:20,210 --> 00:06:17,490 probably do it so that they can easily 161 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:20,220 get prescribed whatever they want but 162 00:06:24,190 --> 00:06:21,810 you're saying he wasn't really abusing 163 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:24,200 yeah it wasn't really abusing it but but 164 00:06:27,950 --> 00:06:26,310 you know and he didn't have that many 165 00:06:30,230 --> 00:06:27,960 health issues in my mind that would 166 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:30,240 warrant needing that plus since he 167 00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:32,370 didn't abuse anything it didn't seem 168 00:06:35,570 --> 00:06:33,750 like he was going in and getting a bunch 169 00:06:37,150 --> 00:06:35,580 of pain pills or you know like we have a 170 00:06:39,490 --> 00:06:37,160 lot of people and 171 00:06:40,630 --> 00:06:39,500 it's the celebrity world whether it's on 172 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:40,640 the new side whether it's on the 173 00:06:45,550 --> 00:06:42,110 entertainment side or what whatever side 174 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:45,560 is on that abused normally pain pills or 175 00:06:49,540 --> 00:06:47,840 something along that line he was in pain 176 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:49,550 but he didn't abuse it the other thing 177 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:52,160 too was he had a heart condition high 178 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:53,810 blood pressure and he could not take his 179 00:06:58,420 --> 00:06:55,490 high blood pressure medication that was 180 00:07:00,430 --> 00:06:58,430 the reason why he lost his FAA license 181 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:00,440 for flying flying his plane that was his 182 00:07:06,010 --> 00:07:03,170 passion was to fly plane when he lost 183 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:06,020 that of course that you know that was 184 00:07:09,580 --> 00:07:07,730 another precursor to some of his 185 00:07:11,290 --> 00:07:09,590 downfall mentally as far as him being 186 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:11,300 happy with life so we were starting to 187 00:07:16,750 --> 00:07:13,370 talk about the theories as to why he 188 00:07:21,010 --> 00:07:16,760 checked out multiple locations yeah 189 00:07:24,370 --> 00:07:21,020 my theory is this if I was going to do 190 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:24,380 what he supposedly did because you know 191 00:07:28,750 --> 00:07:26,690 actually we can't really put him in that 192 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:28,760 room yet until we get the ballistics but 193 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:30,590 let's just assume that it was him and I 194 00:07:36,550 --> 00:07:34,490 am at the firm belief it was him if we 195 00:07:40,090 --> 00:07:36,560 can't the the situation is this if 196 00:07:42,790 --> 00:07:40,100 you're going to do this you're going to 197 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:42,800 try to learn what is the security 198 00:07:46,330 --> 00:07:44,270 protocols that are in place at the place 199 00:07:48,370 --> 00:07:46,340 that you're going to do it at and also 200 00:07:49,780 --> 00:07:48,380 what is the security protocol for the 201 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:49,790 people that are running the event that 202 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:51,680 you're shooting towards so he has two 203 00:07:55,990 --> 00:07:53,330 situations he's looking at he's looking 204 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:56,000 at the hotel which he's in and he's also 205 00:07:59,290 --> 00:07:57,770 looking at situation of a concert which 206 00:08:00,910 --> 00:07:59,300 is across the street or wherever it was 207 00:08:02,650 --> 00:08:00,920 each of the venues that he went to he 208 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:02,660 was always in a hotel looking at a 209 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:05,930 concert two separate security teams two 210 00:08:08,730 --> 00:08:07,370 separate ways that they may respond to 211 00:08:10,510 --> 00:08:08,740 different things or there may be some 212 00:08:14,590 --> 00:08:10,520 communication gaps tears or whatever 213 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:14,600 plus he moved a lot of of his luggage in 214 00:08:19,660 --> 00:08:17,840 and out of Ogden row well Ogden is the 215 00:08:21,790 --> 00:08:19,670 only other location that I'm aware that 216 00:08:23,590 --> 00:08:21,800 he actually was in there was Chicago 217 00:08:25,570 --> 00:08:23,600 where supposedly he booked a room but 218 00:08:27,490 --> 00:08:25,580 then he never went there right correct 219 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:27,500 you know so there's probably some other 220 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:30,260 venues that he may have went to maybe 221 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:33,530 not necessarily booked a room maybe who 222 00:08:36,969 --> 00:08:35,150 knows because he did he did travel 223 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:36,979 around well the let's talk about Ogden 224 00:08:40,029 --> 00:08:38,690 the one we know for sure and yeah and 225 00:08:42,580 --> 00:08:40,039 apparently he did bring bags up there 226 00:08:44,980 --> 00:08:42,590 and so on is it your belief that he was 227 00:08:46,660 --> 00:08:44,990 thinking about doing it at life is 228 00:08:49,329 --> 00:08:46,670 beautiful but for some reason chose not 229 00:08:50,190 --> 00:08:49,339 to or that was all just prep for 230 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:50,200 Mandalay Bay 231 00:08:55,620 --> 00:08:52,810 I'm going with the thought that it's 232 00:08:57,750 --> 00:08:55,630 prep for Mandalay Bay I went to the 233 00:09:00,510 --> 00:08:57,760 Ogden I looked at that location I looked 234 00:09:02,430 --> 00:09:00,520 at you know you know what was was the 235 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:02,440 big vantage point that he had there who 236 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:04,210 were who were the people who he was 237 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:07,150 going to be shooting at what do you mean 238 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:09,010 who was the people well a crowd there's 239 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:10,690 a lot of there a big crowd is is the 240 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:12,820 main thing was there any type of thought 241 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:14,740 process that he put in in the in to play 242 00:09:17,610 --> 00:09:16,090 us to the type of people who were 243 00:09:20,220 --> 00:09:17,620 shooting at land you believe there was 244 00:09:22,290 --> 00:09:20,230 it's possible I don't I don't I don't 245 00:09:26,250 --> 00:09:22,300 necessarily know I haven't gone down 246 00:09:28,260 --> 00:09:26,260 that rabbit hole was Ehrich thing there 247 00:09:30,090 --> 00:09:28,270 was some reason you would target country 248 00:09:32,340 --> 00:09:30,100 no defense no we thought we did talk 249 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:32,350 about it but there wasn't anything 250 00:09:36,810 --> 00:09:35,410 specific to country music fans yeah I 251 00:09:39,150 --> 00:09:36,820 mean I'm thinking I mean for what it's 252 00:09:42,810 --> 00:09:39,160 worth is big crowd and that's all that 253 00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:42,820 mattered in Mandalay Bay was one of the 254 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:44,860 places that he frequented the most and 255 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:47,050 the most knowledge about as far as the 256 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:48,910 elevators and the staff and running 257 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:50,530 well-known and therefore easy to get the 258 00:09:56,550 --> 00:09:54,490 bags up and Mary Lou says that yeah he 259 00:09:59,730 --> 00:09:56,560 was acting weird looking out the window 260 00:10:02,130 --> 00:09:59,740 in the suite before so seems to me that 261 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:02,140 that was Mandalay Bay was yeah he's seem 262 00:10:07,530 --> 00:10:03,490 to be walking back and forth between 263 00:10:09,630 --> 00:10:07,540 windows you know whether or not ideally 264 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:09,640 looking to see which which obstacles 265 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:11,710 would be in the way what would you learn 266 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:16,090 by doing a dry run that Ogden seems kind 267 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:18,670 of odd to me I mean my theory would be 268 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:20,410 you're way more knowledgeable on this 269 00:10:24,420 --> 00:10:22,330 than I am but if my theory would be that 270 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:24,430 he was seriously considering doing at 271 00:10:28,860 --> 00:10:26,290 Ogden because what's the point of doing 272 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:28,870 a dry run at Ogden when the main places 273 00:10:32,220 --> 00:10:30,640 Mandalay Bay why not do a dry run at 274 00:10:33,930 --> 00:10:32,230 Mandalay Bay in other words well the 275 00:10:35,070 --> 00:10:33,940 thing is you have to look at all of the 276 00:10:36,750 --> 00:10:35,080 things that he did during his 277 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:36,760 preparation because Ogden wasn't that 278 00:10:41,250 --> 00:10:39,250 far you know previous to Mandalay Bay so 279 00:10:42,780 --> 00:10:41,260 he had tannerite so he apparently was 280 00:10:45,060 --> 00:10:42,790 gonna blow up something we don't know 281 00:10:48,150 --> 00:10:45,070 exactly whether it was only a matter of 282 00:10:50,430 --> 00:10:48,160 days before later a week or so because 283 00:10:52,410 --> 00:10:50,440 just within day yet within the month 284 00:10:55,620 --> 00:10:52,420 before yeah so that that that timeframe 285 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:55,630 is still relevant but what's what I was 286 00:11:00,270 --> 00:10:58,090 looking at when is that the Ogden is the 287 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:00,280 the number the amount of obstacles a he 288 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:03,130 would have had I don't have how many 289 00:11:06,329 --> 00:11:03,970 times you stay 290 00:11:08,009 --> 00:11:06,339 the Ogden before or whether or not he 291 00:11:10,590 --> 00:11:08,019 was as well-known there because 292 00:11:11,610 --> 00:11:10,600 obviously the investigation shifted to 293 00:11:13,650 --> 00:11:11,620 Mandalay Bay so we have a lot of 294 00:11:15,090 --> 00:11:13,660 information from Manila Bay but we don't 295 00:11:17,429 --> 00:11:15,100 have a lot from Ogden we don't have his 296 00:11:18,929 --> 00:11:17,439 players card or anything that tells us 297 00:11:23,309 --> 00:11:18,939 any history he has and you know the 298 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:23,319 actual room that he was in at Ogden I do 299 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:24,610 I know they actually I'd like the room 300 00:11:29,220 --> 00:11:26,649 number or I do but I don't know it off 301 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:29,230 memorize it in fact have a perfect view 302 00:11:35,460 --> 00:11:33,370 of the concert I wouldn't say it would I 303 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:35,470 would say that that room would have some 304 00:11:41,819 --> 00:11:38,110 some difficulty and I think the room at 305 00:11:44,009 --> 00:11:41,829 Mandalay Bay was was obviously correct 306 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:44,019 yeah it was it was either prot 307 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:45,910 yeah I personally would have moved up 308 00:11:53,340 --> 00:11:49,120 higher but the 32nd floor which is now 309 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:53,350 the 57th floor is still sufficient to 310 00:11:55,829 --> 00:11:54,970 accomplish the task that he set out to 311 00:11:58,860 --> 00:11:55,839 do mm-hmm 312 00:12:01,530 --> 00:11:58,870 so maybe he was seriously considering 313 00:12:04,619 --> 00:12:01,540 Ogden but when he looked at the vantage 314 00:12:06,749 --> 00:12:04,629 point and so on it wasn't as good as he 315 00:12:09,449 --> 00:12:06,759 had hoped because who knows he may have 316 00:12:11,699 --> 00:12:09,459 never seen the life is beautiful concert 317 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:11,709 before it probably went on googled it 318 00:12:15,629 --> 00:12:13,569 mm-hmm probably saw pictures of it yeah 319 00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:15,639 but it wasn't until he got there was in 320 00:12:23,900 --> 00:12:20,800 the room got in position either he for 321 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:23,910 lack of a better word chickened out or 322 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:26,769 it wasn't to his liking as far as the 323 00:12:31,530 --> 00:12:28,649 carnage that he thought that he could 324 00:12:33,420 --> 00:12:31,540 achieve III would say that's a fairly 325 00:12:36,090 --> 00:12:33,430 accurate statement I would also say that 326 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:36,100 there was other circumstances that we 327 00:12:39,990 --> 00:12:38,050 now know that he was looking at one 328 00:12:41,369 --> 00:12:40,000 obviously it was the tanks he doesn't 329 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:41,379 and you didn't have that same 330 00:12:45,019 --> 00:12:43,000 opportunity at Ogden there was really 331 00:12:49,049 --> 00:12:45,029 nothing around there that would create a 332 00:12:51,319 --> 00:12:49,059 diversion from afar for him to shoot at 333 00:12:55,619 --> 00:12:51,329 to have people come back his direction 334 00:12:58,379 --> 00:12:55,629 so that that plays into it so that's 335 00:13:00,600 --> 00:12:58,389 another thing plus the the tenor rate 336 00:13:02,670 --> 00:13:00,610 was questionable as to what he was going 337 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:02,680 to do with it an explosion at Mandalay 338 00:13:10,889 --> 00:13:09,449 impressive so to speak with that for the 339 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:10,899 lack of a better term than something 340 00:13:13,510 --> 00:13:12,130 else when people have been asking me 341 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:13,520 just randomly on 342 00:13:17,470 --> 00:13:15,110 talking about okay what do you think 343 00:13:19,810 --> 00:13:17,480 really happened and what was his motive 344 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:19,820 I usually tell him that I think his 345 00:13:26,230 --> 00:13:22,010 motive was simply that he wanted to go 346 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:26,240 out as the greatest mass murderer in US 347 00:13:29,170 --> 00:13:27,770 history that really would that that kind 348 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:29,180 of explains why there wasn't a note 349 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:31,910 there was nothing to say to people mmm 350 00:13:35,019 --> 00:13:33,649 he wanted to go out he wanted to 351 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:35,029 essentially kill himself 352 00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:37,130 and there's we know variety of reasons 353 00:13:42,310 --> 00:13:38,720 why he was kind of going down a road of 354 00:13:44,980 --> 00:13:42,320 suicide right and then why take out all 355 00:13:48,579 --> 00:13:44,990 these people with you because he wanted 356 00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:48,589 to go out as a notorious killer there's 357 00:13:52,870 --> 00:13:50,630 a lot of area around that question that 358 00:13:55,570 --> 00:13:52,880 can be brought up one is was he trying 359 00:13:57,820 --> 00:13:55,580 to better his dad was you know was there 360 00:13:59,079 --> 00:13:57,830 was that a component which would have 361 00:14:02,530 --> 00:13:59,089 been kind of a subconscious thing 362 00:14:04,300 --> 00:14:02,540 presumably very very very possible you 363 00:14:06,940 --> 00:14:04,310 know there was some hatred there I think 364 00:14:09,610 --> 00:14:06,950 inside the you know the family front for 365 00:14:11,230 --> 00:14:09,620 the dad that's pretty much a given maybe 366 00:14:12,610 --> 00:14:11,240 not hatred might not be the right word 367 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:12,620 but there's obviously something there 368 00:14:19,139 --> 00:14:16,370 that would be an issue and so when you 369 00:14:22,269 --> 00:14:19,149 when you look at the the mode of being 370 00:14:23,980 --> 00:14:22,279 that that's a component I think I think 371 00:14:25,510 --> 00:14:23,990 the overall and we discussed this before 372 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:25,520 as far as a motive especially when the 373 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:28,490 BAU report came out and I discussed this 374 00:14:33,550 --> 00:14:30,529 at length with Eric as well the 375 00:14:35,019 --> 00:14:33,560 situation with Steve is that there were 376 00:14:36,730 --> 00:14:35,029 so many factors that could be weighed 377 00:14:38,650 --> 00:14:36,740 into the mode of whether or not it was 378 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:38,660 the father whether it's not his his 379 00:14:43,540 --> 00:14:42,470 declining health him losing the passion 380 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:43,550 of flying whether or not his 381 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:45,410 relationship with Mary Dan Lee was going 382 00:14:50,829 --> 00:14:49,070 south all of these different his wealth 383 00:14:52,660 --> 00:14:50,839 evaporating his wealth evaporating 384 00:14:55,569 --> 00:14:52,670 frustration with the casinos and the 385 00:14:58,060 --> 00:14:55,579 eyes on him and exactly lossy loss of 386 00:15:01,300 --> 00:14:58,070 the lawsuit at a different casino 387 00:15:02,740 --> 00:15:01,310 obviously so he didn't get that and I 388 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:02,750 did see the injuries that he had 389 00:15:08,170 --> 00:15:04,310 sustained a lot of people thought that 390 00:15:09,940 --> 00:15:08,180 he possibly faked that fall well I saw 391 00:15:11,829 --> 00:15:09,950 those injuries I saw the pictures of his 392 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:11,839 injuries they were legit 393 00:15:17,139 --> 00:15:13,850 it's a weird fall though have you 394 00:15:19,449 --> 00:15:17,149 watched that video closely yeah I have 395 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:19,459 it doesn't look like so just to remind 396 00:15:24,579 --> 00:15:21,410 everybody you know he had a slip and 397 00:15:26,180 --> 00:15:24,589 fall at the Cosmo correct and sues the 398 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:26,190 casino mm-hmm 399 00:15:30,170 --> 00:15:28,170 for his injuries from slipping and 400 00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:30,180 falling claiming that the floor was wet 401 00:15:33,889 --> 00:15:31,920 and you guys were negligent and 402 00:15:36,590 --> 00:15:33,899 therefore you owe us money which I 403 00:15:38,210 --> 00:15:36,600 consider to be a very BS lawsuit I think 404 00:15:40,579 --> 00:15:38,220 most people would think slip-and-fall 405 00:15:42,619 --> 00:15:40,589 lawsuits are kind of frivolous somewhat 406 00:15:43,850 --> 00:15:42,629 be frivolous and BS so I think it says 407 00:15:44,929 --> 00:15:43,860 you have something interesting about him 408 00:15:47,449 --> 00:15:44,939 that he would even pursue that 409 00:15:49,699 --> 00:15:47,459 considering his wealth at the time you 410 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:49,709 know move on [\h__\h] happens right right 411 00:15:52,999 --> 00:15:51,300 but anyway the default 412 00:15:54,439 --> 00:15:53,009 I don't know how closely you looked at 413 00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:54,449 it but I don't see him slipping on 414 00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:56,399 anything that's almost like he almost 415 00:15:59,660 --> 00:15:58,079 like maybe kind of fainted or something 416 00:16:03,470 --> 00:15:59,670 he just kind of seems just to go down 417 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:03,480 yeah there was I don't know exactly what 418 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:05,490 happened at that moment but you're right 419 00:16:10,009 --> 00:16:08,250 it did look like he either if he hit 420 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:10,019 something wet it didn't look like he did 421 00:16:15,319 --> 00:16:12,689 a full-on split but he did those legs 422 00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:15,329 that did go apart kind of crumbles yeah 423 00:16:19,699 --> 00:16:17,279 yeah I could find the video it's it's 424 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:19,709 yeah do that and and I did see the 425 00:16:24,980 --> 00:16:22,050 injury so unless he went home and beat 426 00:16:26,809 --> 00:16:24,990 the hell out of his was the injury the 427 00:16:28,999 --> 00:16:26,819 injury was inside looks like a hamstring 428 00:16:32,269 --> 00:16:29,009 pull on annals on the inside of the 429 00:16:34,009 --> 00:16:32,279 inner thigh and that is very painful 430 00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:34,019 injury I've had that before martial arts 431 00:16:36,170 --> 00:16:35,040 so you know when you're doing kicks and 432 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:36,180 stuff like that anyway and do you 433 00:16:39,769 --> 00:16:37,889 believe he's never recovered from it I 434 00:16:41,210 --> 00:16:39,779 know I wouldn't say never recover I 435 00:16:43,639 --> 00:16:41,220 think it probably changed his gait as 436 00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:43,649 far as his walk as it's changed mine of 437 00:16:48,499 --> 00:16:45,839 course you know my hernia has changed my 438 00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:48,509 gait a little bit more as well but yeah 439 00:16:51,769 --> 00:16:50,040 that would that would definitely do it 440 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:51,779 so you've given a lot of reasons again 441 00:16:55,939 --> 00:16:54,569 for us to believe he was suicidal or 442 00:17:00,559 --> 00:16:55,949 ready to commit suicide but not 443 00:17:02,569 --> 00:17:00,569 necessarily for why take out that's with 444 00:17:04,730 --> 00:17:02,579 you I think that mystery is never going 445 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:04,740 to be resolved I think a lot of these 446 00:17:11,899 --> 00:17:08,809 the you know the nuances of this case 447 00:17:14,539 --> 00:17:11,909 that kind of play out that we look back 448 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:14,549 on and we start to you know look back at 449 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:16,289 the earlier beginning part of this case 450 00:17:19,010 --> 00:17:17,490 where there's a lot of questions that 451 00:17:20,299 --> 00:17:19,020 were left unanswered we're starting able 452 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:20,309 to answer those but the ones involving 453 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:23,490 Steve because he was so quiet so so 454 00:17:29,779 --> 00:17:26,130 reserved he wasn't you know an obnoxious 455 00:17:32,510 --> 00:17:29,789 loudmouth always you know saying things 456 00:17:34,940 --> 00:17:32,520 to people kind of guy he pretty much 457 00:17:38,830 --> 00:17:34,950 kept himself somewhat reserved socially 458 00:17:41,710 --> 00:17:38,840 inept as some some people have said but 459 00:17:43,780 --> 00:17:41,720 you know it he didn't have any out no 460 00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:43,790 one could say boy he was constantly 461 00:17:49,180 --> 00:17:46,160 talking about this or that or going off 462 00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:49,190 and you know he hated people and bla bla 463 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:51,470 bla but we didn't ever get that what 464 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:54,470 does Eric say he was politically he 465 00:17:59,440 --> 00:17:55,970 wasn't really a political person at all 466 00:18:00,670 --> 00:17:59,450 I'm trying to remember what he was you 467 00:18:01,060 --> 00:18:00,680 think he's registered independent as 468 00:18:02,650 --> 00:18:01,070 well 469 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:02,660 I mean seem to be have a little bit some 470 00:18:06,820 --> 00:18:04,250 some quotes that you hear a little bit 471 00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:06,830 of an anti-government kind of attitude 472 00:18:10,780 --> 00:18:08,480 and oh they're gonna come and take your 473 00:18:11,890 --> 00:18:10,790 guns kind of attitude either some 474 00:18:15,490 --> 00:18:11,900 comments that he made about that I mean 475 00:18:18,670 --> 00:18:15,500 being a gun guy oftentimes gun guys and 476 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:18,680 pretty anti-government yeah III would go 477 00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:20,410 I would go with that I mean I was a 478 00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:22,820 federally licensed firearms dealer and I 479 00:18:27,820 --> 00:18:24,320 was a gun guy too but I wasn't 480 00:18:30,940 --> 00:18:27,830 necessarily anti-government but the 481 00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:30,950 reasons for us to have weapons to begin 482 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:33,200 with in the Constitution is to protect 483 00:18:42,490 --> 00:18:40,490 us from the government control you have 484 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:42,500 to understand yeah what was the original 485 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:44,090 intent friend I'd have to remember what 486 00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:45,830 the mindset was of the founders is that 487 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:47,870 without guns they wouldn't have gotten 488 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:48,590 their freedom 489 00:18:53,410 --> 00:18:50,570 that's griten that's curve a had that in 490 00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:53,420 the back absolutely but going back to 491 00:18:58,570 --> 00:18:55,700 the targeting of the crowd I mean again 492 00:19:01,720 --> 00:18:58,580 country music fans don't strike me based 493 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:01,730 on what little I know about his politics 494 00:19:06,460 --> 00:19:04,670 as a crowd that you would target well I 495 00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:06,470 don't think he's specifically targeting 496 00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:08,000 because they were a country I don't 497 00:19:11,980 --> 00:19:10,310 think because a large portion of a 498 00:19:14,770 --> 00:19:11,990 country crowd would be Republican I 499 00:19:16,210 --> 00:19:14,780 don't think that's an issue I think a 500 00:19:17,860 --> 00:19:16,220 lot of people are really stretching to 501 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:17,870 try to wrap their heads around this so 502 00:19:21,550 --> 00:19:19,460 the one thing that they're going to do 503 00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:21,560 is to try to give answers where there's 504 00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:23,630 none which is why in the beginning where 505 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:25,070 we had so many conspiracy theories come 506 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:26,330 out because we weren't receiving any 507 00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,250 answers no one was talking there was 508 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:30,320 conversations that were held with with 509 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:32,510 his previous wife there's conversations 510 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:34,010 help with obviously Mary Lou Dan Lee 511 00:19:38,350 --> 00:19:34,850 Eric 512 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:38,360 Patrick Bruce everyone in the family 513 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:39,770 I don't think the mother was interviewed 514 00:19:44,770 --> 00:19:42,290 that much but I don't think anyone came 515 00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,780 out of any interview and said we've got 516 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:46,880 it and we figured it out 517 00:19:51,310 --> 00:19:49,310 and that's the problem we you know well 518 00:19:52,590 --> 00:19:51,320 and my little theory was pretty much in 519 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:52,600 line with what the FBI 520 00:19:55,890 --> 00:19:54,490 Averill analysis was merely concluded is 521 00:19:57,930 --> 00:19:55,900 that you had a guy for a variety of 522 00:19:59,490 --> 00:19:57,940 reasons things weren't going well for 523 00:20:01,740 --> 00:19:59,500 him and you know narcissistic 524 00:20:03,930 --> 00:20:01,750 personality it's out of run and when 525 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:03,940 you're no longer being treated well and 526 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:05,530 have all the trappings of your wealth 527 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:08,170 and so on and so in health issues so he 528 00:20:12,210 --> 00:20:10,720 spirals down and then decides though 529 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:12,220 that he's not just gonna commit suicide 530 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:14,770 he's gonna do this egregious act right 531 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:17,410 for notoriety essentially yeah and I've 532 00:20:22,170 --> 00:20:19,750 we have we found the video that had two 533 00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,180 people at a bus stop and it's famously 534 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:24,640 known as the bus stop video which is the 535 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:26,530 final two shots that he fired towards 536 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:31,120 the tanks are in that video and the one 537 00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:32,530 of the the people in the video is a 538 00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:33,880 black guy in a white girl sitting at a 539 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:35,260 bus stop and they're talking back and 540 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:37,210 forth one of the things that he 541 00:20:41,970 --> 00:20:40,510 basically stated was that you know this 542 00:20:44,130 --> 00:20:41,980 is kind of one of those situations where 543 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:44,140 someone shoots up you know this is 544 00:20:48,270 --> 00:20:45,310 during the shooting he's saying this is 545 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:48,280 a shooting and they they take a bunch of 546 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:50,260 people out and then they turned the 547 00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:53,170 weapon on themselves I mean that was a 548 00:20:57,420 --> 00:20:55,480 very prophetic statement I mean that was 549 00:20:59,070 --> 00:20:57,430 that was pretty what it is shockingly 550 00:21:00,330 --> 00:20:59,080 common and I don't know what yeah now 551 00:21:01,650 --> 00:21:00,340 would you have a but you know the whole 552 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:01,660 thing where the guy kills his whole 553 00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,130 family and then himself or kills his 554 00:21:06,810 --> 00:21:04,720 wife before he kills himself 555 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:06,820 I mean but those are passion those are 556 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:11,350 those are like that's like they can't 557 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:14,770 live after death and their mind thinking 558 00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:16,660 that the wife or the kids or anything 559 00:21:20,730 --> 00:21:18,580 anything that they care love and cherish 560 00:21:23,310 --> 00:21:20,740 is going to go on forward and so there's 561 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:23,320 always weird thoughts that okay maybe if 562 00:21:26,820 --> 00:21:25,330 if they kill them all they'll all go to 563 00:21:28,350 --> 00:21:26,830 heaven together or something you have 564 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:28,360 these thoughts that most people don't 565 00:21:30,930 --> 00:21:29,800 let me talk about well let me ask you a 566 00:21:32,970 --> 00:21:30,940 question about those real quick sure 567 00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:32,980 these murder suicides yeah is it 568 00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:34,750 typically that the person decides I'm 569 00:21:38,670 --> 00:21:36,310 going to commit suicide but I'm gonna 570 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:38,680 kill them first or is it that they kill 571 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:40,450 them and then then they're so aggrieved 572 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:42,970 and just you know it's that they then 573 00:21:48,780 --> 00:21:45,730 kill themselves do well that that 574 00:21:51,390 --> 00:21:48,790 mindset is hard to get into and that's 575 00:21:54,170 --> 00:21:51,400 not my actual area of expertise based on 576 00:21:56,700 --> 00:21:54,180 my experiences of doing the profiling 577 00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:56,710 yes that's the component it's a major 578 00:22:01,050 --> 00:21:58,570 component and I think what happens is 579 00:22:02,730 --> 00:22:01,060 the person is thinking this out that has 580 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:02,740 to have be a thought if it's 581 00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:04,450 premeditated if it's something that's 582 00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:07,030 not like a like a crime at the moment if 583 00:22:09,330 --> 00:22:07,870 it's something that they've been 584 00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:09,340 thinking about it's probably bothered by 585 00:22:12,750 --> 00:22:10,660 the weapons and over time they're 586 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:12,760 mentally getting ready for it then yeah 587 00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:14,530 they're they're preparing to take their 588 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:18,880 own lives as well I think when people do 589 00:22:24,540 --> 00:22:21,520 this this is my my opinion is if someone 590 00:22:25,650 --> 00:22:24,550 goes into their own you know family 591 00:22:26,910 --> 00:22:25,660 bring them and just start shooting 592 00:22:29,790 --> 00:22:26,920 everybody 593 00:22:32,550 --> 00:22:29,800 they don't think oh what have I done oh 594 00:22:34,410 --> 00:22:32,560 no I'm gonna get caught let me just take 595 00:22:35,610 --> 00:22:34,420 myself out I don't think that's that 596 00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:35,620 thought I think it's just it was 597 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:37,150 premeditated I'm gonna kill them then 598 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:38,230 I'm gonna kill myself I think that's the 599 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:40,440 majority of the cases how that works 600 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:42,850 okay well let's start digging into some 601 00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:44,910 of the specifics you're talking about 602 00:22:52,260 --> 00:22:50,110 the shots at the tanks what did you want 603 00:22:54,150 --> 00:22:52,270 to reveal to everybody about you but 604 00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:54,160 your investigation shows as far as him 605 00:22:59,160 --> 00:22:57,220 targeting the huge gas tanks by the 606 00:23:03,750 --> 00:22:59,170 airport to create some huge explosion 607 00:23:05,820 --> 00:23:03,760 yeah well my first stop when I came to 608 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:05,830 Vegas was literally I drove to Vegas and 609 00:23:09,030 --> 00:23:07,570 drove straight to the tanks that was my 610 00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:09,040 first thing went over there I wanted to 611 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:10,480 get pictures before they repaired the 612 00:23:14,970 --> 00:23:12,490 the holes I wanted to get close enough 613 00:23:16,410 --> 00:23:14,980 to that so I could see if the Insignia 614 00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:16,420 heads are used all these different 615 00:23:21,930 --> 00:23:18,460 things and I looked at the pattern and 616 00:23:25,050 --> 00:23:21,940 then at that time we didn't know when 617 00:23:26,430 --> 00:23:25,060 the shots were were taken a lot of 618 00:23:28,020 --> 00:23:26,440 people were of the belief that the shots 619 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:28,030 towards the tanks were to where the very 620 00:23:31,770 --> 00:23:30,490 first shots taken and then there was 621 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:31,780 another camp that believed they were 622 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:33,970 being shot into the VIP section because 623 00:23:37,410 --> 00:23:35,590 obviously people were shot in those 624 00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:37,420 first rounds of shots but we didn't 625 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:38,950 really have a lot of this information at 626 00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,410 the time so I was looking at the tanks 627 00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:43,600 and I started realized as I turned back 628 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:45,550 around at the Mandalay Bay I knew what 629 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:47,770 type of weapons he probably was using we 630 00:23:51,390 --> 00:23:50,050 didn't really have that list yet we kind 631 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:51,400 of had a list but we weren't really sure 632 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:53,710 which one was were used where and I 633 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:55,690 started to think there is no way in hell 634 00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,730 anybody can miss this target this is a 635 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,400 huge target if someone's going to 636 00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,320 practice or pre has premeditated this 637 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:03,760 for over a year and has gone out and 638 00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:07,410 practiced shooting these 308 they know 639 00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,480 you know what settings to put on that 640 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:11,760 scope to shoot this there was no heavy 641 00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:13,290 wind that night is five to nine miles 642 00:24:18,140 --> 00:24:14,910 I'm sorry I thought that he did hit it 643 00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:18,150 oh he did oh I'm sorry okay but but he 644 00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:20,100 wasn't shooting at them not necessarily 645 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:22,590 directly so here's here's how the shots 646 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:25,050 came out here no gun no you I'll get let 647 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:27,210 me know no place out at around ten away 648 00:24:31,940 --> 00:24:28,650 is when he actually started firing at 649 00:24:35,060 --> 00:24:31,950 the tanks he was in room 134 assuming 650 00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:35,070 this is paddock again he was in room 134 651 00:24:40,580 --> 00:24:37,740 he picked up the 308 and started firing 652 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:40,590 he missed the first shot he missed the 653 00:24:44,540 --> 00:24:42,330 second shot he missed the third shot 654 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:44,550 they missed the fourth shot on the fifth 655 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:46,710 and the sixth shot he hits but in odd 656 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:48,930 locations of the tank and it was just 657 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:51,810 the left tank if you're shooting the 658 00:24:57,050 --> 00:24:53,610 right tank would technically be a little 659 00:24:59,120 --> 00:24:57,060 closer but he wasn't shooting apparently 660 00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:59,130 at the right tank with the reason why we 661 00:25:04,580 --> 00:25:02,460 know where he was shooting and all of 662 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:04,590 this is because a Ebert driver was there 663 00:25:09,530 --> 00:25:06,570 and there was there was a sound 664 00:25:11,420 --> 00:25:09,540 recording from that uber driver sorry so 665 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:11,430 it was a particular rifle that he was 666 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:13,370 using to shoot at the tanks yes 667 00:25:17,060 --> 00:25:15,570 different than the other rifles correct 668 00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:17,070 and the bullets were different too right 669 00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:18,900 correct these are the what do they call 670 00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:21,750 the explosive bullets well there's still 671 00:25:25,460 --> 00:25:23,340 some controversy as to the votes because 672 00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:25,470 the the Haig cases which is still going 673 00:25:30,650 --> 00:25:28,140 on as to which exact bullets he was 674 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:30,660 shooting at the tanks my understanding 675 00:25:35,420 --> 00:25:32,250 is they were in sedentary because anyone 676 00:25:37,580 --> 00:25:35,430 looking at the the the hit on the center 677 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:37,590 of the left tank you can see that 678 00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:39,810 something obviously hit that was burning 679 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:42,870 because that the way the hit came out 680 00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:44,610 you could see the the burn marks from it 681 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:47,910 so based on the timing and you're saying 682 00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:49,110 that you believe he was shooting at the 683 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:51,390 tanks at 10:08 yes he was shooting at 684 00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:52,530 the tanks enemy that's been confirmed 685 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:54,750 that's confirmed that's come from Vegas 686 00:26:00,260 --> 00:25:58,290 please FBI FBI confirm that so he starts 687 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:00,270 because by that that's three minutes 688 00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:01,530 into the shooting correct so he had 689 00:26:04,910 --> 00:26:02,910 already been spraying bullets into the 690 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:04,920 crowd correct yeah and then gets a 691 00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:07,250 totally different weapon yep and takes 692 00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:10,110 one at a time shots not only did he get 693 00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,950 a weapon 694 00:26:14,810 --> 00:26:12,720 yeah no bum sock not only did he get a 695 00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:14,820 different weapon he left the room oddly 696 00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:18,270 enough he was so I remember you 697 00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:21,059 mentioned OCD earlier he was probably 698 00:26:26,299 --> 00:26:24,059 so OCD that the room 134 was just the 699 00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:26,309 308 I need to shoot at the tanks room 700 00:26:30,739 --> 00:26:28,950 and the room 135 was I need to shoot at 701 00:26:32,029 --> 00:26:30,749 the crowd room over here and hit that 702 00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:32,039 was so entrenched in his head that he 703 00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:35,159 that when he brought the the weapon from 704 00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:37,710 room 135 to 134 just laid down that 705 00:26:42,860 --> 00:26:40,559 weapon and then picked up the 308 laid 706 00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:42,870 across the bed there's been some 707 00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:44,100 controversy you know I'm gonna clear up 708 00:26:48,259 --> 00:26:46,769 some I'm not gonna say this from a 709 00:26:51,019 --> 00:26:48,269 factual standpoint but let's say this is 710 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:51,029 my opinion many people thought that he 711 00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:54,090 someone slept in that bed well my 712 00:26:58,759 --> 00:26:55,799 opinion is no one slept in the bed he 713 00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,769 laid across that bed and fired out the 714 00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:00,960 window that way because you cannot and 715 00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,580 I've done this in the room I've tried to 716 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:04,740 sit there and I'm and I'm I'm right at 6 717 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:07,289 foot he's over 6 foot you can't really 718 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:09,690 sit between the bed in the window and 719 00:27:15,499 --> 00:27:11,970 really stand there and shoot and get 720 00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:15,509 that that shot out the window that way 721 00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:16,980 there's just no way to stand there and 722 00:27:20,539 --> 00:27:19,230 do this if you're shooting a sniper 723 00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:20,549 style if you're shooting at a target 724 00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,950 you're gonna lay down you're going to 725 00:27:26,989 --> 00:27:24,720 put the head the bipod since I put the 726 00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,999 bipods on the bed now I'm thinking that 727 00:27:30,889 --> 00:27:29,039 there may be a question and a lot of 728 00:27:33,980 --> 00:27:30,899 people that shoot will probably agree 729 00:27:36,259 --> 00:27:33,990 with this he probably practiced shooting 730 00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:36,269 these shots not on a bed you're not 731 00:27:39,139 --> 00:27:37,440 gonna bring a mattress to the middle of 732 00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:39,149 the desert and this is all new 733 00:27:41,869 --> 00:27:40,679 information you're not gonna bring a 734 00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:41,879 mattress to the middle of the desert and 735 00:27:46,369 --> 00:27:43,559 lay on it and start practicing shooting 736 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:46,379 or 308 ok the guys around you probably 737 00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:49,110 wonder what is up with this guy right so 738 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:50,820 he probably didn't factor in the fact 739 00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:53,369 and shooting that 308 could create two 740 00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,279 issues for him the first issue is the 741 00:28:00,379 --> 00:27:58,559 recoil on the weapon it's not that much 742 00:28:01,879 --> 00:28:00,389 but it's enough to where the bed prop 743 00:28:05,509 --> 00:28:01,889 would move and he would have to try to 744 00:28:07,249 --> 00:28:05,519 readjust and get his sight back in so at 745 00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:07,259 anyway he starts firing these rounds and 746 00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:08,820 people don't take into account that he 747 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:10,980 either a laid the weapon across a chair 748 00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,570 which I don't think that happened but he 749 00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:13,919 laid across the bed which accounts for 750 00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:16,679 the bed being messed up and the the 751 00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:18,179 configuration of what it looks like 752 00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:19,320 looks like something laid across the bed 753 00:28:23,180 --> 00:28:21,539 it was trying it the window so that's my 754 00:28:24,739 --> 00:28:23,190 that's my opinion 755 00:28:27,109 --> 00:28:24,749 and after looking everything that's why 756 00:28:28,879 --> 00:28:27,119 I think so the first round missed second 757 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:28,889 round mr. Broun this fourth round missed 758 00:28:31,879 --> 00:28:30,210 so now button by now he's getting 759 00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:31,889 frustrated but what was he shooting at 760 00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,500 was he shooting at the tank even it 761 00:28:39,140 --> 00:28:37,200 with the issue with the the bipod and 762 00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:39,150 that in the bed possibly moving those 763 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:41,400 tanks are rather large so a lot of 764 00:28:45,370 --> 00:28:43,170 people think well how can this guy from 765 00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:45,380 one room firing with a two to three 766 00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,360 ar-15 with a bump stock hit all of these 767 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:50,760 people but go over to the other room 768 00:28:55,820 --> 00:28:53,130 with a with a scope and a bipod and a 769 00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:55,830 long rifle a 308 and miss these huge 770 00:28:59,840 --> 00:28:58,020 tanks and for sure the one that he hit 771 00:29:02,060 --> 00:28:59,850 would have been the one further away 772 00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:02,070 correct okay okay so either he was 773 00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:04,020 shooting at the one further away for one 774 00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,150 reason or another why would he do that 775 00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:08,640 doesn't make a lot of lot of sense or 776 00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:10,020 maybe there's an obstacle in the way 777 00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:11,640 which I looked at it and it doesn't seem 778 00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:14,880 to be an obstacle in the way so he 779 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:19,080 wasn't shooting at things jet fuel 780 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:22,710 has to be atomized before it can burn if 781 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:24,570 you can take we could have a jar of jet 782 00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:26,160 fuel on this table right now and toss 783 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:28,020 matches into it and it will not ignite 784 00:29:33,170 --> 00:29:31,290 we could take it blowtorch to a mason 785 00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:33,180 jar of jet fuel and just sit here and 786 00:29:38,660 --> 00:29:35,340 blowtorch that jar and it will not 787 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,670 ignite but if you take it and put into a 788 00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:40,080 spray bottle spray it in the air and 789 00:29:45,890 --> 00:29:42,750 then light a lighter that way it will 790 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:45,900 ignite so what he had to do was get that 791 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:49,290 fuel to actually spray so how do you do 792 00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:51,570 that well people were saying well you 793 00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:52,830 shoot at the tank and then you shoot 794 00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,750 another shot at the tank and then that's 795 00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:56,460 the second shot will ignite from the 796 00:30:00,560 --> 00:29:58,500 first shot going through the tank well 797 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:00,570 that doesn't work because he probably 798 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:02,010 would have figured out the tank has an 799 00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:03,810 inner bladder or enter tank 800 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:06,270 meaning there's two tanks separation - 801 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:08,910 you know - per m2 spills so he was 802 00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,890 looking for an object to shoot at I'm 803 00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:12,960 not gonna say the specific name of the 804 00:30:17,420 --> 00:30:15,270 object because FAA rules and regulations 805 00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:17,430 I might actually be in trouble if I said 806 00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:19,710 it but there's an object or there's 807 00:30:23,150 --> 00:30:21,270 several objects around the tank that 808 00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:23,160 obviously caused the fuel to be 809 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:26,100 pressurized to move the fuel so fuel 810 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:28,710 under pressure if you hit that area then 811 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:31,110 that fuel would spray and then you would 812 00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:33,090 shoot again at that same area with an 813 00:30:37,340 --> 00:30:35,100 incident area head causing the sparks 814 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:37,350 that would cause it to ignite creating a 815 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:40,170 huge blowtorch so this would be 816 00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:41,850 something very close to the tanks but 817 00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:43,860 not the tanks themselves not necessarily 818 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:45,060 the tanks themselves could be on the 819 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:46,410 tank could be next to the tank could be 820 00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:47,970 behind the tank could you 821 00:30:52,340 --> 00:30:49,710 something along that lines that's why a 822 00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:52,350 lot about his Google searches that seems 823 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:54,120 something that you would see that he was 824 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:55,650 google searching about because most 825 00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:57,090 people don't fill that off the top of 826 00:31:00,530 --> 00:30:58,860 their head right but we don't know when 827 00:31:01,820 --> 00:31:00,540 he searched for the information on the 828 00:31:03,650 --> 00:31:01,830 tanks he may have searched for the 829 00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:03,660 information on the Google searches that 830 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:05,880 they show were relatively recent keep in 831 00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:08,010 mind he did a Google search on the 25th 832 00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:11,520 of September or the 28th of September 833 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:14,280 and that Google search was how to remove 834 00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:17,850 a hard drive from a laptop okay so that 835 00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:20,640 tells me because there isn't well when 836 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:22,200 did he move remove the hard drive well 837 00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:24,330 maybe after he did the search for how to 838 00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,710 remove the hard drive would be my first 839 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:28,320 logical guess I would start there well 840 00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:30,090 that's been one of my fascination so 841 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:34,800 let's take a little step out to talk 842 00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:36,570 about that for a second the the removal 843 00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:41,190 of the hard drive they find a laptop in 844 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:43,140 there the hard drive missing right right 845 00:31:48,050 --> 00:31:44,610 and this is what's your what's your 846 00:31:50,030 --> 00:31:48,060 theory I think that he well he removed 847 00:31:52,910 --> 00:31:50,040 the hard drive while apparently 848 00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:52,920 obviously at the hotel why did he remove 849 00:31:59,390 --> 00:31:56,310 the hard drive was he trying to protect 850 00:32:02,180 --> 00:31:59,400 the family from the IRS tax scare that 851 00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:02,190 everyone thought about mainly because 852 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:04,230 Eric did bring that subject up no one 853 00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:05,490 probably thought necessarily have that 854 00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,230 but he was the accountant for the family 855 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:09,120 and whatever is that a possibility maybe 856 00:32:12,530 --> 00:32:11,250 was there child porn or additional child 857 00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:12,540 porn on that one and he got the wrong 858 00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:14,220 one and he because there was child porn 859 00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:17,310 apparently on the other computer maybe 860 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:19,500 he thought it was on this one or maybe 861 00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:21,690 there's one had more maybe he had other 862 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:25,440 things on it maybe it had some of the 863 00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:26,730 documents and some of the things that he 864 00:32:30,020 --> 00:32:28,380 saved maybe he had an itinerary of what 865 00:32:30,290 --> 00:32:30,030 he was going to do maybe I would have 866 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:30,300 had him 867 00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:32,460 who knows manifesto maybe changed his 868 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:34,440 mind about you know that being okay so 869 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:35,700 then how do you connect though the 870 00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:37,890 Google search on the 25th about removing 871 00:32:41,420 --> 00:32:39,110 the hard drive and the fact that 872 00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:41,430 apparently it was removed in the hotel 873 00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:43,740 room well as a yeah that's my that's my 874 00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:46,380 guess and where where he removed it 875 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:48,060 apparently was in the hotel room because 876 00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:50,310 the the computer was taken apart there 877 00:32:54,770 --> 00:32:52,980 okay that's all you're saying is that he 878 00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:54,780 knew for whatever reason at some point 879 00:33:00,980 --> 00:32:58,710 in the midst of all this I'm going to 880 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:00,990 want to take out the hard 881 00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,010 drive and so he did the research on that 882 00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,440 a few days in advance he did the yeah he 883 00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:09,600 did the research I like check em the 884 00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:11,100 exact day it's either the 25th of the 885 00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,910 28th I'm thinking it was the 25th it 886 00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:16,080 could be the 28th it was one of those 887 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:18,420 two days but why else would he remove 888 00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:19,770 the hard drive the only reasons that 889 00:33:24,410 --> 00:33:21,540 would come to mind that would make sense 890 00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:24,420 is the porn issue that he was trying to 891 00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:25,860 protect the family from some other issue 892 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:28,559 or obviously the main answer is there 893 00:33:31,150 --> 00:33:29,610 something on the hard drive you didn't 894 00:33:34,540 --> 00:33:31,160 want someone to find but there's also 895 00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:34,550 why not just toss the whole computer 896 00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:37,080 well it's a lot easier to get rid of a 897 00:33:41,540 --> 00:33:38,780 hard drive than it is a whole computer 898 00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:41,550 yeah but I mean to go through the 899 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:43,080 process of having to research how to 900 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:44,700 remove a hard drive and figuring all 901 00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:46,290 that out as opposed to just dumping the 902 00:33:51,410 --> 00:33:48,840 computer and because look the hard drive 903 00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:51,420 was dumped somewhere presumably mm-hmm 904 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:53,820 and if you find a hard drive you can see 905 00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:55,650 what's on it so the mere fact that you 906 00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:56,910 remove it from a computer doesn't 907 00:34:02,270 --> 00:33:59,010 destroy it right unless you took a 908 00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:02,280 sledgehammer to it well my understanding 909 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:04,860 from talking with Eric in getting in the 910 00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:06,809 mindset of Steve is that the following 911 00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,740 possibility might exist and I'm gonna 912 00:34:14,919 --> 00:34:12,720 use the exact words that Eric told me 913 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:14,929 maybe he was just [\h__\h] with people 914 00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:18,090 and those were the exact words and maybe 915 00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:19,919 he took the hard drive out just to do 916 00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:22,409 that and that way there'd be some 917 00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:25,859 massive hunt for the hard drive or 918 00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:28,379 something like this kind of like yeah 919 00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:30,119 just like you know some people jump out 920 00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:31,379 of a plane after they rob a bunch of 921 00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,060 people and you people are looking for 922 00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:35,760 that to this day presumably they did 923 00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:38,159 search all of the trash cans and 924 00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:39,780 Mandalay Bay for this thing it wouldn't 925 00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:43,200 be a trash can presumably he would have 926 00:34:48,619 --> 00:34:46,379 taken an off site that's my thought yeah 927 00:34:50,090 --> 00:34:48,629 and tossed it somewhere between where 928 00:34:51,859 --> 00:34:50,100 yeah it could be in a dumpster somewhere 929 00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:51,869 it could he could have he could have 930 00:34:58,099 --> 00:34:54,260 shredded it burned it he could have just 931 00:34:59,900 --> 00:34:58,109 drove down the highway my thought is 932 00:35:01,970 --> 00:34:59,910 he's driving down the highway just toss 933 00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:01,980 it out as far as you there was any 934 00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:03,990 search for the hard drive by the Las 935 00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:06,540 Vegas police I mean I agree it's I know 936 00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:08,520 I look for it I don't know if they look 937 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:11,790 for it and and I'm still looking for and 938 00:35:15,740 --> 00:35:13,770 I've been out on the map if you find 939 00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:15,750 that oh boy really yeah finally I'll be 940 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:18,440 on the master I'll finally appreciate 941 00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,630 okay so back to the tanks so that's your 942 00:35:26,060 --> 00:35:23,760 theory that in fact he did he was 943 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:26,070 attempting to blow up the tanks mm-hmm 944 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:29,730 but it was not a matter he knew that you 945 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:31,530 can't blow him up simply by hitting them 946 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:33,570 yeah because he was too smart I mean 947 00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:36,690 Steve was either a genius or damn close 948 00:35:42,110 --> 00:35:39,660 to it okay an incredibly smart man and 949 00:35:44,170 --> 00:35:42,120 his brother Erik both smart people when 950 00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:44,180 you talk to them you'll start to 951 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:47,070 understand okay these people aren't 952 00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:50,510 idiots they are fairly smart people and 953 00:35:58,030 --> 00:35:55,470 in in in talking with air extensively it 954 00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:58,040 has really helped me get into the the 955 00:36:01,040 --> 00:35:59,700 mindset of what's going on I'm not 956 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:01,050 saying the Erik is the same mind as 957 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:02,610 Steve I don't want to I don't want to 958 00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:03,690 put that out there like that 959 00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:05,160 and people think oh god we got another 960 00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:19,280 Steve so but you know well you know a 961 00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:22,950 personality he is Erik's a character in 962 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:23,940 his own right 963 00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:26,370 and Erik did somebody said he has said 964 00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,680 some slightly kind of questionable or 965 00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:31,020 disturbing well he did that in the 966 00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:33,240 beginning from what he told me and from 967 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:34,740 what I can I can basically believe 968 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:37,410 because I kind of do the same thing in a 969 00:36:40,940 --> 00:36:38,970 roundabout way and I'll explain that in 970 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:40,950 detail later if necessary but Erik 971 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:42,570 wanted to take a lot of the heat off the 972 00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:45,330 rest of the family so naturally to keep 973 00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:47,910 the attention of the media towards him 974 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:49,560 you know you come out in the front yard 975 00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:50,970 and you give him a show you know I 976 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:52,680 almost say I show like you know he was 977 00:36:57,020 --> 00:36:54,930 full-on acting or whatever but you 978 00:37:00,290 --> 00:36:57,030 basically you try to keep that attention 979 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:00,300 on yourself as best you can and that way 980 00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:01,710 they're not out you know trying to get 981 00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:05,220 the most seem as sensitive about the 982 00:37:09,860 --> 00:37:07,260 victims as you would expect and that's 983 00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:09,870 and maybe in that sense is why you're 984 00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:12,630 saying that in no way obviously will be 985 00:37:18,070 --> 00:37:16,260 lumping Erik in with Steven what as far 986 00:37:21,110 --> 00:37:18,080 as personality that that little bit of a 987 00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,120 indifference or coldness I think part of 988 00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:23,460 that has to do with how the the family 989 00:37:28,450 --> 00:37:25,670 unit is and keep in mind that 990 00:37:30,809 --> 00:37:28,460 the Bruce hadn't talked to Eric in what 991 00:37:33,099 --> 00:37:30,819 20 years or something like that 992 00:37:35,410 --> 00:37:33,109 Eric the only the only two people that 993 00:37:37,809 --> 00:37:35,420 seem to talk the most in the family was 994 00:37:39,099 --> 00:37:37,819 Eric and Steve so they had a semi 995 00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,109 working relationship because they 996 00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:40,880 actually had you know business dealings 997 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:44,569 together but as far as that that 998 00:37:49,059 --> 00:37:46,970 brotherly love kind of thing you know 999 00:37:51,309 --> 00:37:49,069 you got Patrick on one end that's become 1000 00:37:53,799 --> 00:37:51,319 basically dis communicated completely 1001 00:37:55,870 --> 00:37:53,809 from the family and then you have Bruce 1002 00:37:57,819 --> 00:37:55,880 who's what's you interviewed so I think 1003 00:38:00,609 --> 00:37:57,829 you have better insight than I do into 1004 00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:00,619 his his psyche and then you have Eric 1005 00:38:05,289 --> 00:38:03,049 which you know I've talked to it 1006 00:38:08,349 --> 00:38:05,299 extensively more than probably anyone 1007 00:38:12,579 --> 00:38:08,359 and that I know of that I've even talked 1008 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:12,589 to in the last two years but but what I 1009 00:38:17,049 --> 00:38:14,510 gather from that is that during their 1010 00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:17,059 upbringing some major trauma has 1011 00:38:20,740 --> 00:38:19,099 occurred which obviously we know that we 1012 00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:20,750 know now what happened because of the 1013 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:23,750 the father issue and then the they 1014 00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:25,490 probably don't have the amount of 1015 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:27,710 empathy that you and I probably have 1016 00:38:32,109 --> 00:38:30,530 towards towards this situation and 1017 00:38:34,359 --> 00:38:32,119 there's a lot of us are II I will add 1018 00:38:36,490 --> 00:38:34,369 since you mention first you know Bruce 1019 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:36,500 broke down crying a couple times during 1020 00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:38,930 the interview and he did seem to be 1021 00:38:46,299 --> 00:38:42,710 really emotional about the victims so it 1022 00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:46,309 was one thing I can say about that you 1023 00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:48,440 know Bruce better than I do I know Eric 1024 00:38:54,789 --> 00:38:50,950 and what I know about Eric is Eric's 1025 00:38:56,740 --> 00:38:54,799 actions has really shown me that he 1026 00:38:59,579 --> 00:38:56,750 truly has the the interest of the 1027 00:39:03,549 --> 00:38:59,589 victims and the the survivors at heart 1028 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:03,559 he almost immediately said that whatever 1029 00:39:09,339 --> 00:39:06,770 monies are left the sale of the houses 1030 00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:09,349 any any funds that come out of this the 1031 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:11,599 the family doesn't need it obviously and 1032 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:14,450 any of that is to be turned towards 1033 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:17,210 given to the victims and and and however 1034 00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,890 they disperse that that's a that's I 1035 00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:20,240 don't know exactly how they're doing 1036 00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:22,190 that but that both houses are sold in 1037 00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:23,599 those those funds are going to be 1038 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:25,910 dispersed to the victims Rican families 1039 00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:27,890 and survivors and so forth so well to go 1040 00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:29,720 back to childhood just for a second you 1041 00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:32,390 know yes they were abandoned by the 1042 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:34,030 father 1043 00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,170 but when you look at how Steven turned 1044 00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:41,200 out in some respects Bruce has had his 1045 00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:42,820 legal problems 1046 00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:45,550 Bruce was charged with possession found 1047 00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:48,640 pornography he never really would get 1048 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:53,040 into the details of of that with me but 1049 00:39:57,980 --> 00:39:55,450 obviously steven was found with it 1050 00:40:00,330 --> 00:39:57,990 you start kind of wondering you know 1051 00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,340 this isn't really all explained by an 1052 00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:02,560 absent father there seems to me there 1053 00:40:07,950 --> 00:40:05,590 may be something even more odd that 1054 00:40:10,380 --> 00:40:07,960 happened in this childhood IIIi 1055 00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,390 understand that from the position of 1056 00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:12,400 just looking at the information we have 1057 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:13,750 about Steve the information we have 1058 00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:18,730 about Bruce Eric has no police record he 1059 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:21,400 immediately gave all of his computers he 1060 00:40:25,410 --> 00:40:23,710 voluntarily gave the computers to the 1061 00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,420 FBI he did not even wait for them to 1062 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:28,000 request it he literally just said look I 1063 00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,850 mean some children survive a very poor 1064 00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:33,280 upbringing others succumb to it right so 1065 00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:35,230 you know the mere fact that Eric turned 1066 00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:38,380 out okay and the other two perhaps not I 1067 00:40:42,210 --> 00:40:40,030 mean in particular I point to the child 1068 00:40:43,890 --> 00:40:42,220 porn thing that's very odd to me I mean 1069 00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:43,900 I don't know you've probably never 1070 00:40:48,030 --> 00:40:46,510 spoken to mom no I haven't but you know 1071 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:48,040 maybe you could share with us what you 1072 00:40:51,870 --> 00:40:49,810 do know about mom and then I think 1073 00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,880 wasn't there didn't she have a boyfriend 1074 00:40:55,530 --> 00:40:53,920 or I don't know if she's remarried but I 1075 00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,540 think there was at some point another 1076 00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:57,280 father figure my understanding is yeah 1077 00:41:01,800 --> 00:40:59,410 yes yeah I didn't get into that because 1078 00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:01,810 the the mother is elderly and I did not 1079 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:05,860 want to put any information out that 1080 00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:08,110 someone would want to pursue and verify 1081 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:09,910 or do whatever with the mother the 1082 00:41:15,810 --> 00:41:13,810 mother is in her 90s and Eric's taking 1083 00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:15,820 care of her and I think it's important 1084 00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:19,240 that you know it would be Erin ever 1085 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:21,310 shared anything that you was 1086 00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:23,410 jaw-dropping to you about the truck 1087 00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:26,800 their childhood no no IIIi did ask well 1088 00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,420 I wouldn't say jaw-dropping there was a 1089 00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:30,880 couple incidences like the first time he 1090 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:33,430 fired a weapon was with Steve and it was 1091 00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:35,890 a 357 Magnum that was the first weapon 1092 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:37,360 he ever fired I think he was 7 or 8 1093 00:41:41,610 --> 00:41:39,370 years old or maybe upwards of 10 in that 1094 00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:41,620 range and that's about the same time I 1095 00:41:45,499 --> 00:41:43,720 fired my first weapon so I didn't see 1096 00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:45,509 that as being odd or out of their order 1097 00:41:49,929 --> 00:41:47,609 or abnormal the size of the left and 1098 00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:49,939 probably was a you know the 357 revolver 1099 00:41:56,209 --> 00:41:53,849 that's that's a bit day but but but 1100 00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,219 Steve was the older brother Steve Steve 1101 00:42:02,689 --> 00:41:59,839 was the oldest and and he I guess 1102 00:42:05,959 --> 00:42:02,699 apparently had some sort of family 1103 00:42:09,229 --> 00:42:05,969 family Union unit 1104 00:42:10,489 --> 00:42:09,239 I guess responsibility they felt where 1105 00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:10,499 the family was a surrogate father 1106 00:42:14,359 --> 00:42:12,209 yeah a surrogate father and and he 1107 00:42:16,399 --> 00:42:14,369 filled the shoes as best he could based 1108 00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:16,409 on this situation I I don't know I mean 1109 00:42:22,009 --> 00:42:19,049 that those intricacies as far as how the 1110 00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:22,019 family Union unit evolved and and and 1111 00:42:27,279 --> 00:42:25,049 they got through the the trials and 1112 00:42:29,949 --> 00:42:27,289 tribulations that they had to go through 1113 00:42:35,029 --> 00:42:29,959 so what's going on with the documentary 1114 00:42:37,009 --> 00:42:35,039 the documentary is we're actually it was 1115 00:42:38,059 --> 00:42:37,019 pretty much done one of the things I 1116 00:42:39,469 --> 00:42:38,069 just want to let everybody know about 1117 00:42:40,909 --> 00:42:39,479 the documentary is there's a lot of 1118 00:42:44,059 --> 00:42:40,919 question about when it was kind of going 1119 00:42:47,389 --> 00:42:44,069 to come out the the we did do it another 1120 00:42:48,709 --> 00:42:47,399 name change the name currently which I 1121 00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:48,719 believe is going to be the final name 1122 00:42:54,919 --> 00:42:52,079 will be lost Vegas we're looking at 1123 00:42:57,049 --> 00:42:54,929 bringing it out towards right towards 1124 00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:57,059 the the second anniversary somewhere in 1125 00:43:01,429 --> 00:42:59,339 that range that not necessarily ride 1126 00:43:03,499 --> 00:43:01,439 that bandwagon but it's kind of turning 1127 00:43:05,889 --> 00:43:03,509 out that what's your official role in it 1128 00:43:07,999 --> 00:43:05,899 I'm the producer I'm pretty service I've 1129 00:43:10,969 --> 00:43:08,009 tried to help Ramsey as much as possible 1130 00:43:12,439 --> 00:43:10,979 and these are I didn't you know go to 1131 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:12,449 him and say hey you know make me a 1132 00:43:16,189 --> 00:43:14,249 producer and he literally just said hey 1133 00:43:18,019 --> 00:43:16,199 you've done so much yeah are there gonna 1134 00:43:19,549 --> 00:43:18,029 be extensive Erik Patek interviews in 1135 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:19,559 the documentary there's going to be more 1136 00:43:25,779 --> 00:43:22,529 than what what you've seen I'm going to 1137 00:43:28,699 --> 00:43:25,789 also go back I'm kind of holding back my 1138 00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:28,709 you could keep mine I interviewed him as 1139 00:43:32,149 --> 00:43:30,689 well and I've had extensive talks with 1140 00:43:34,539 --> 00:43:32,159 him I've kind of holding some of that 1141 00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:34,549 back until the documentary comes out 1142 00:43:39,739 --> 00:43:38,579 that way I'm not really you know giving 1143 00:43:41,389 --> 00:43:39,749 up you know a lot of information 1144 00:43:43,699 --> 00:43:41,399 beforehand there because oh yeah you 1145 00:43:44,749 --> 00:43:43,709 ever heard that from Mike that kind of 1146 00:43:46,009 --> 00:43:44,759 thing but if there was anything that I 1147 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:46,019 felt that was important because you know 1148 00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,130 someone's gonna hear this and they go 1149 00:43:52,699 --> 00:43:49,380 you're holding evidence and loaded it it 1150 00:43:55,059 --> 00:43:52,709 uh no no I'm not if I if I felt that any 1151 00:43:57,799 --> 00:43:55,069 any my conversations I had with Eric 1152 00:43:58,850 --> 00:43:57,809 we're going to change the course of the 1153 00:44:00,380 --> 00:43:58,860 case I would 1154 00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,390 that would do that well who are you to 1155 00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,640 decide well this isn't my first rodeo 1156 00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:05,520 well knowing Ramsey it's gonna probably 1157 00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:07,350 be pretty brutal on the Las Vegas police 1158 00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:10,440 department yeah yeah it will be and and 1159 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:11,460 there's some more extenuating 1160 00:44:18,110 --> 00:44:14,250 circumstances that I can now go into a 1161 00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:18,120 little deeper there I kind of put self 1162 00:44:21,740 --> 00:44:19,980 muzzled myself I won't say that someone 1163 00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:21,750 put a muzzle on me but I'll say I self 1164 00:44:25,850 --> 00:44:23,430 muzzled myself for several circumstances 1165 00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:25,860 one of which obviously is the autopsy 1166 00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:28,440 section would dip into some HIPPA type 1167 00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:30,990 agreement and and that information that 1168 00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:33,600 that I'll be probably revealing over the 1169 00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,310 next 10 days and some of us probably 1170 00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:37,920 today on your show is something I 1171 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:39,510 couldn't get into before and so people 1172 00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:40,650 think oh you're just a little talking 1173 00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:42,390 about autopsies well you know you're 1174 00:44:46,210 --> 00:44:44,430 catching up now I've kind of been having 1175 00:44:50,570 --> 00:44:46,220 that in the background for a long time 1176 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:50,580 but the Vegas wrong is going to go into 1177 00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:54,690 a lot of detail it is going to be most 1178 00:45:02,000 --> 00:44:59,520 likely very critical of the LVM PD of 1179 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:02,010 the FBI how they handled the situations 1180 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:04,530 and keep in mind there's a lot of they 1181 00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:06,570 gave us a lot of ammunition I mean I 1182 00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:10,020 don't use neither one of us I can 1183 00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:12,060 probably say have ever seen a case like 1184 00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:13,800 this where there's so much information 1185 00:45:26,780 --> 00:45:24,750 being withheld yeah well once you hit I 1186 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:26,790 mean we've covered we've been very 1187 00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:28,650 critical of Las Vegas police on the show 1188 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:31,110 might want you hit the one or two 1189 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:32,970 biggest ones that you guys are gonna be 1190 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:35,610 well after in the documentary in the 1191 00:45:39,590 --> 00:45:37,890 documentary is well it's all over the 1192 00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:39,600 map in the documentary it's gonna cover 1193 00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:41,270 quite a quite a few grounds because it's 1194 00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:43,800 the stuff I'll talk about you know the 1195 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:45,150 stuff that directly affects me of this 1196 00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:47,250 stuff I've owned covered well let me ask 1197 00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:48,750 you because we just numbered it the most 1198 00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:50,760 recent episode with with with Papa which 1199 00:45:57,020 --> 00:45:53,910 is do you believe that the police 1200 00:46:00,760 --> 00:45:57,030 intentionally covered up the fact that 1201 00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:00,770 they had two police officers there in 1202 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:04,800 position to intercept the shooter for 1203 00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:07,050 five minutes and and these two guys did 1204 00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:09,870 nothing no I don't believe that they did 1205 00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:12,630 that I'm absolutely certain of it 1206 00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:15,300 Doug Papa was right we I think we all 1207 00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,920 said this when this happened when the 1208 00:46:20,180 --> 00:46:18,480 information come out 1209 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:20,190 I was listening live just like Doug was 1210 00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,470 when the when the shots were when when 1211 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:24,480 the radio calls were going out and we 1212 00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:26,490 heard that you know I was like wait did 1213 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:27,150 I just hear 1214 00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:29,850 I shot fired in this room that was 1215 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:31,230 covered up 1216 00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:34,170 Hendrix obviously freezing in the 1217 00:46:38,270 --> 00:46:36,540 hallway he was fired back in March which 1218 00:46:40,460 --> 00:46:38,280 we all know right I didn't tell anybody 1219 00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:40,470 until people eventually asked the 1220 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:43,260 question yeah well it got out we we kind 1221 00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:44,490 of yeah we kind of knew back then 1222 00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:46,230 something was going up and we couldn't 1223 00:46:51,380 --> 00:46:48,180 we kind of figured that's kind of as 1224 00:46:53,540 --> 00:46:51,390 part of the cover-up to try to get rid 1225 00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:53,550 of him out the back door and tell 1226 00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:54,990 anybody and just keep it nice and quiet 1227 00:46:58,700 --> 00:46:56,760 as well of that cover of because I'm 1228 00:47:00,560 --> 00:46:58,710 Bardo it before there he was asked about 1229 00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:00,570 Hendrix he defended him yeah he did 1230 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:02,700 defend him in and and that was probably 1231 00:47:06,970 --> 00:47:06,090 wrong for him to do that he's done a lot 1232 00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:06,980 of mistakes 1233 00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:09,660 Lombardo has made huge mistakes as far 1234 00:47:14,660 --> 00:47:12,390 as one thing that they engaged the 1235 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:14,670 suspect I mean that that was a huge 1236 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:17,370 mistake and then in in the case of 1237 00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,850 Hendrix it will stay on him how do you 1238 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:23,280 defend somebody like that I mean no 1239 00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:25,410 offense to Hendrix I mean I do have some 1240 00:47:29,660 --> 00:47:27,630 empathy for him but my empathy for him 1241 00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:29,670 ends at the moment that the next shot 1242 00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:32,190 rings out after he freezes that's when 1243 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:34,110 my empathy stops because that means 1244 00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:36,090 someone's getting killed why this guy is 1245 00:47:39,350 --> 00:47:37,590 just standing there there's some key 1246 00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:39,360 points to bring up in this one of which 1247 00:47:44,090 --> 00:47:42,030 is very important at that moment that he 1248 00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:44,100 was basically told to stand down so to 1249 00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:45,390 speak a lot of people believe that the 1250 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:47,160 officer Hendrix was listening to the 1251 00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:49,290 radio and he heard the call saying 1252 00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:51,060 you're receiving automatic fire from an 1253 00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:52,920 elevated position take cover 1254 00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:54,630 we all heard this and that's about the 1255 00:47:59,810 --> 00:47:57,180 time that he pretty much you know takes 1256 00:48:01,850 --> 00:47:59,820 cover well he wasn't receiving automatic 1257 00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:01,860 fire the automatic fire was being 1258 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:03,480 received by the people on the ground 1259 00:48:09,020 --> 00:48:07,410 below him and taking cover from from 1260 00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,030 your on the 31st floor and you know the 1261 00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:11,280 guy shooting into a crowd of people yeah 1262 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:12,900 the only thing accurate about that was 1263 00:48:17,810 --> 00:48:15,810 the 32nd floor is above the 31st floor 1264 00:48:20,540 --> 00:48:17,820 therefore it is an elevated position but 1265 00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:20,550 he was not taking fire so I had that was 1266 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:23,220 a general alert that went out not a 1267 00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,850 specific instruction 1268 00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:27,040 to Hendricks exactly and the person 1269 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:29,230 giving that alert out is not necessarily 1270 00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:30,610 a person that you would receive those 1271 00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:32,320 types of instructions for especially 1272 00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,390 when you're the lead team the you got 1273 00:48:39,210 --> 00:48:36,640 five people on your team going there now 1274 00:48:41,550 --> 00:48:39,220 people say well you had a trainee the 1275 00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,560 trainees a cop the trainee is a cop the 1276 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:42,640 moment that they get on the force 1277 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:44,410 they're not like okay I've got to go 1278 00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:46,210 through some sort of ride-along program 1279 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:49,180 until I can actually do something edible 1280 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:52,690 yeah exactly so and you got three of the 1281 00:48:56,190 --> 00:48:54,850 Mandalay Bay employees and they look 1282 00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:56,200 like they were ready to go I mean they 1283 00:49:00,330 --> 00:48:58,210 they they were sitting you could see it 1284 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:00,340 in their face you could see it in their 1285 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:02,530 eyes going what is go where we stopping 1286 00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:04,450 yeah one of the guys went out ahead of 1287 00:49:07,830 --> 00:49:05,950 Hendricks down the hallway yeah 1288 00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:07,840 Hendricks wasn't leading them down the 1289 00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:09,070 hallway was the Mandalay Bay guy in 1290 00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:11,500 Hendricks brought back exactly exactly 1291 00:49:15,930 --> 00:49:14,110 so to get into the mind of Hendricks I I 1292 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:15,940 understand I understand my people freeze 1293 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:18,250 but for him to ask for his job back I 1294 00:49:21,930 --> 00:49:20,530 don't think so not the same job but he 1295 00:49:24,330 --> 00:49:21,940 can go back and work on a desk somewhere 1296 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:24,340 but my thought is this and your we're 1297 00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:25,930 lawyers so you might have some insight 1298 00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:28,630 into this do you think that he and I'm 1299 00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:30,280 gonna interview you for a minute do you 1300 00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:32,560 think that he came back and decided to 1301 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:34,420 you know let me try to get my job back 1302 00:49:40,650 --> 00:49:37,330 let me check with the the Union guys so 1303 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:40,660 he can actually have LVM PD utilize 1304 00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:42,610 their resources to defend him in case he 1305 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:47,470 receives some charges hmm well first of 1306 00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:49,690 all to have the Union fight a 1307 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:51,790 termination I mean they fight virtually 1308 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:53,170 every termination yeah that's Ottoman 1309 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:55,330 right yeah so he's got this bill I've 1310 00:49:59,700 --> 00:49:56,650 been paying for this Union all this time 1311 00:50:01,620 --> 00:49:59,710 I'm looking for a settlement from Las 1312 00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:01,630 Vegas police yeah now in part of that 1313 00:50:07,580 --> 00:50:04,840 settlement could be that yes you know 1314 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:07,590 I'm indemnifying and if I pursued out 1315 00:50:12,420 --> 00:50:10,210 that area the law it's very difficult to 1316 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:12,430 sue the police for failure to protect 1317 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:15,490 and in that that also pertains to police 1318 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:17,530 officers so I'm not sure it would be 1319 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:19,210 very difficult to come up with a theory 1320 00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:21,010 might hold him personally liable 1321 00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:22,780 anything you have to look at from is it 1322 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:26,200 a criminal act that were they would go 1323 00:50:29,730 --> 00:50:28,210 after him at all yeah it had to be 1324 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:29,740 intentional you know and show negligence 1325 00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:31,450 on the part of the department or have 1326 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:32,380 you just like what's happened in 1327 00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,570 parkland yes and in parkland 1328 00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:36,400 it is criminal right I'm involved with 1329 00:50:40,029 --> 00:50:38,150 that closely but he's there's crimine 1330 00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:40,039 charge eleven throws that yes that is my 1331 00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:42,440 question which would be is anybody 1332 00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:45,020 considering criminal charges right now 1333 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:46,609 look at the timing as to when he was 1334 00:50:52,180 --> 00:50:49,730 fired and look at the timing of when 1335 00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:52,190 that officer got those eleven charges so 1336 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:53,960 it's really close 1337 00:50:58,420 --> 00:50:56,690 what's up well he was fired in March and 1338 00:51:00,490 --> 00:50:58,430 the charges were soon thereafter right I 1339 00:51:01,420 --> 00:51:00,500 think that we'd have to look it up in 1340 00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:01,430 other words there could have been some 1341 00:51:04,930 --> 00:51:03,049 communication and they're realizing that 1342 00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:04,940 wow this guy's can be charged criminally 1343 00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,480 in Florida our guy is still yeah on the 1344 00:51:13,329 --> 00:51:10,880 ring yeah yeah and that's 11 charges 1345 00:51:14,829 --> 00:51:13,339 this guy has got 58 charges potentially 1346 00:51:17,940 --> 00:51:14,839 that he would be looking at it's a he's 1347 00:51:21,309 --> 00:51:17,950 probably puckering up a little bit 1348 00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:21,319 thinking that a I need to get my ducks 1349 00:51:25,859 --> 00:51:23,569 in a row here because you know I need I 1350 00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:25,869 need to do this but back to the original 1351 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:28,640 thing that brought us here cover-up is 1352 00:51:36,450 --> 00:51:32,450 this a cover-up did did the act that 1353 00:51:40,269 --> 00:51:36,460 Hendricks cause I mean someone freezing 1354 00:51:42,789 --> 00:51:40,279 did that cause loss of life my opinion 1355 00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:42,799 is very possible but here's the other 1356 00:51:47,019 --> 00:51:44,329 end of the spectrum if it went to court 1357 00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:47,029 what they're gonna say is this your 1358 00:51:51,549 --> 00:51:49,670 normal lawyer is gonna argue that even 1359 00:51:52,779 --> 00:51:51,559 if he would have got to the hallway even 1360 00:51:54,279 --> 00:51:52,789 if he would got to the door he would 1361 00:51:56,049 --> 00:51:54,289 have been met with the same L bracket 1362 00:51:58,059 --> 00:51:56,059 the prevented hazers Campos from going 1363 00:51:58,930 --> 00:51:58,069 through that door so it would have been 1364 00:52:00,640 --> 00:51:58,940 all for naught 1365 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:00,650 the problem I have with that statement 1366 00:52:05,950 --> 00:52:03,770 is that he obviously didn't know that at 1367 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:05,960 the time and we were I'm not aware of 1368 00:52:09,849 --> 00:52:08,089 any of those officers on that five-man 1369 00:52:11,620 --> 00:52:09,859 detail you know we'll call them all 1370 00:52:14,740 --> 00:52:11,630 officers including you know the mental a 1371 00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,750 base of them having foreknowledge of 1372 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:16,880 that L bracket so if they had knowledge 1373 00:52:21,730 --> 00:52:18,890 of the l-bracket why would they be going 1374 00:52:24,579 --> 00:52:21,740 down that hallway to begin with to go up 1375 00:52:27,099 --> 00:52:24,589 that stairwell so MIT got the report the 1376 00:52:29,260 --> 00:52:27,109 Campos had been shot on 32 and then said 1377 00:52:31,299 --> 00:52:29,270 he gets off on 31 supposedly because he 1378 00:52:34,569 --> 00:52:31,309 gets some phone call about shooter on 31 1379 00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:34,579 right right so my argument against an 1380 00:52:37,779 --> 00:52:36,020 attorney that would say a statement like 1381 00:52:40,569 --> 00:52:37,789 that was will they would not be going 1382 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:40,579 down the 31st floor hallway toward that 1383 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:43,490 same stairwell if they had known about 1384 00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,010 the l-bracket so that argument is moot 1385 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:48,319 let's move on and well again I don't 1386 00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:49,730 think that you can hold him civilly 1387 00:52:53,460 --> 00:52:52,030 liable for this you can't sue him 1388 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:53,470 what images and you can't sue the police 1389 00:52:55,980 --> 00:52:54,610 for damage I think it would be a 1390 00:52:57,330 --> 00:52:55,990 criminal case if there was a case I 1391 00:53:00,300 --> 00:52:57,340 agree with that but we're still talking 1392 00:53:03,210 --> 00:53:00,310 about cover-up now was it covered up did 1393 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:03,220 LVM PD withhold information from us the 1394 00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:07,570 public us the media my opinion is 1395 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:10,270 obviously keeping money if you go back 1396 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:13,690 in time you go back to towards the 1397 00:53:18,330 --> 00:53:15,370 actual shooting itself that was an 1398 00:53:20,670 --> 00:53:18,340 election year for obviously Joe Lombardo 1399 00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:20,680 so several pieces of information that 1400 00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:22,270 normally would have been filtered out in 1401 00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:24,580 time obviously O'Donnell accidentally 1402 00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:26,380 discharging the weapon inside the room 1403 00:53:32,310 --> 00:53:29,230 Hendrix freezing these various things 1404 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:32,320 would be problems for him during his 1405 00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:35,170 election and that the his opponents 1406 00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:37,270 would pick up on and rest in peace Larry 1407 00:53:42,990 --> 00:53:40,510 burns well in even after the election I 1408 00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:43,000 think it was and with lots of times to 1409 00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:44,920 digest things and think about things 1410 00:53:50,010 --> 00:53:47,230 when Lombardo is asked on a talk show 1411 00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,020 about Hendrix he defends him and says 1412 00:53:54,930 --> 00:53:52,720 you don't bring a knife to a gunfight so 1413 00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:54,940 and I you know that quote is gonna come 1414 00:53:58,350 --> 00:53:56,980 back to bite him in whatever proceedings 1415 00:53:59,640 --> 00:53:58,360 are going on right now with Hendrix 1416 00:54:01,200 --> 00:53:59,650 suing for his job back you saying hey 1417 00:54:02,460 --> 00:54:01,210 the chief of police agreed with me he's 1418 00:54:04,590 --> 00:54:02,470 basically saying he wouldn't gone either 1419 00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:04,600 yeah well he's actually the sheriff the 1420 00:54:08,850 --> 00:54:06,310 sheriff's different the chief sheriffs 1421 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:08,860 yeah chief is a Sylvian position but the 1422 00:54:13,410 --> 00:54:11,170 so the sheriff says this information and 1423 00:54:14,820 --> 00:54:13,420 so okay that's great but you can't 1424 00:54:17,730 --> 00:54:14,830 utilize that either because that's 1425 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:17,740 obviously after the fact so at the time 1426 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:21,250 of Hendrix freezing you have to narrow 1427 00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:22,930 everything down to exactly what was 1428 00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:25,630 known at that moment in time and that is 1429 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:28,630 it yeah anything said after that is is 1430 00:54:33,150 --> 00:54:31,930 has no bearing on anything at all of the 1431 00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:33,160 mindset of what was going through that 1432 00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:34,600 officer's mind when he was there doing 1433 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:36,550 it so how many volleys were after that 1434 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:37,690 how many shots were after how many 1435 00:54:44,810 --> 00:54:38,770 people could have been saved 1436 00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:44,820 possibly l-bracket beside well shoot 1437 00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,510 well they wouldn't know where the 1438 00:54:49,470 --> 00:54:47,920 l-bracket was on the door you just gonna 1439 00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,480 you know just stand there and start 1440 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:51,040 firing random he would have gone up to 1441 00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:53,170 32 tried to open the door and would have 1442 00:54:57,090 --> 00:54:55,630 been able to open it and that correct 1443 00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:57,100 saying was same with his campus they 1444 00:54:59,220 --> 00:54:58,240 would had the same issue and they 1445 00:55:00,690 --> 00:54:59,230 wouldn't have seen the old bracket 1446 00:55:01,620 --> 00:55:00,700 because it was on the other side correct 1447 00:55:03,210 --> 00:55:01,630 yeah Brackett would have been on the 1448 00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:03,220 other side if the l-bracket was on the 1449 00:55:04,819 --> 00:55:04,480 inside how would he have gotten back 1450 00:55:09,019 --> 00:55:04,829 through the 1451 00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:09,029 door to get back to the room well but 1452 00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:11,369 yeah they had fries with five people I 1453 00:55:14,479 --> 00:55:12,900 know how strong and l-bracket is but you 1454 00:55:16,009 --> 00:55:14,489 can't knock down that l-bracket with 1455 00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:16,019 white people RAM in the door they 1456 00:55:18,979 --> 00:55:17,190 wouldn't have known what was blocking 1457 00:55:20,449 --> 00:55:18,989 the door well they would have known that 1458 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:20,459 it was not opening right there was a 1459 00:55:25,009 --> 00:55:23,249 winner then never divorce they could on 1460 00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:25,019 that door too agreed absolutely agree I 1461 00:55:28,969 --> 00:55:26,910 know I know what I would have done I I 1462 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:28,979 would and I'm surprised they didn't have 1463 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:30,690 a ram with them anyway the officers 1464 00:55:33,739 --> 00:55:32,249 would and there's some question about 1465 00:55:35,180 --> 00:55:33,749 remember that that one video of the 1466 00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:35,190 officers going down the hallway and this 1467 00:55:39,229 --> 00:55:36,900 guy walks out of his hotel room and it's 1468 00:55:40,729 --> 00:55:39,239 only like a six or eight second video 1469 00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:40,739 he's looking down the hall when he sees 1470 00:55:43,969 --> 00:55:41,849 this this group they call him the 1471 00:55:45,499 --> 00:55:43,979 creepers these these officers walking by 1472 00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:45,509 with some bag in between them what have 1473 00:55:48,469 --> 00:55:47,339 you I'm you know people think well 1474 00:55:49,579 --> 00:55:48,479 there's a body in the bag or there's 1475 00:55:50,749 --> 00:55:49,589 this in the back order I'm thinking it's 1476 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:50,759 probably just a ram in the back when 1477 00:55:56,059 --> 00:55:52,410 there's big door ramps because these